Robert Mueller biographer and WIRED Magazine contributing editor Garrett Graff is our return guest for a discussion about the latest developments in the Russia inquiry.

We read the tea leaves on where this inquiry is headed, what the George Papadopoulos plea deal means, whether he likely committed an underlying crime, what the Manafort and Gates indictment tells us, and consider questions about trial timelines and potential pardons. Then we dive into his knowledge of Mueller’s career, reputation, the team he has built for this investigation, whether he may be pursuing Tony Podesta, and what Mueller is really like.